Posts by moggy lover

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WT 5/1/06 -Backing Away from 1914? - NO

by TheListener in

backing away from 1914?

i think not.. may 1, 2006 wt third study article on page 27, paragraph 2 and 3 state:.

"2. almost 30 years after that pentecost in 33 c.e., the apostle paul confirmed that christ had not yet taken full kingdom power, but he was "at the right hand of god, from then on awaiting until his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet.

moggy lover

Interesting post, TListener, I wonder if what R Franz suggested in his COC is being heeded to.

On pgs 217 - 219 [ie in my edition, which is the second printing 1985, pages may vary in other editions, but it is in the chap entitled "1975: Appropriate time for God to act"] he tells of an aborted WT article that was suggested to the GB and which was prepared by Klein, Schroeder, and Suiter. The essential point of the article was to split the significance of the 1914 date.

Hitherto the date was used to imply the fullfilment of two simultaneous events: 1 The start of Jesus's rule in heaven [the end of the Gentile Times] 2 The beginning if the "Last Generation" during whose lifetime the world as we know it would end.

This article argued for splitting this up. 1 The rule would be kept for 1914, [WW1, 607 BC and all that] but as for no 2: The generation need not be tied to this date. The article suggested 1957, evidently because with the launching of the Soviet "Sputnik" it ushered in the prophecy of Matt 24:29 telling of the "powers in the heavens being shaken"

I have a sneeky feeling that is what the GB may start to hint at. In the Nov 1995 WT, the WTS effectively removed the problem of the 1914 generation. But because of the fortunate start of WW1 in 1914, they will keep that date for an indefinite period.

Have the WTS misapplied Heb 10:12? I think so. "The right hand of God" signifies "Approval" not "Anticipation" Like the carnal-minded Jews of the 1st Cent, the WTS is expecting Christ to destroy fleshly and physical enemies, like the non-WT world. In fact the "enemies" that Christ is more concerened with are Sin, and the "Last Enemy" death.

He has at this time, and since His resurrection, "Total Power" [Matt 28:18] and has been ruling since being in heaven, but will rule till sin and death will be done away with.

Cheers

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May 15 WT - Survival depends on loyal association with the organization

by truthseeker in

jw
friends

with the recent wt articles stressing how "new light" has appeared over the decades, this article is geared towards making sure individuals are active within the organization in order to ensure their survival.. this article is taken from e-watchman's discussion board, this is not my article.. .

http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1019&st=0.

just got a hold of the new may 15, 2006 watchtower containing the study article, "are you prepared for survival?

moggy lover

Oh Crumbs!! Not again surely??

I remember this visiting overseer at a Cir Assy telling us that all prophecies that needed fullfiling were now fullfiled, and all that was needed was for jeeejoba to bring on the New World. In fact, said he breathlessly, the brothers were already preparing WT and Kingdom Ministry articles that would have relevance only in New World cicumstances !!!

And that was back in 1973!

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Lets give JH our love and support!!

by ButtLight in

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friends

he, and his family are going through a tough time right now.

he got a call that his dad has a tumor, and also found something in his liver, believed to be cancer.

i just wanted everyone to let him know we are all here for him and his family!.

moggy lover

As one who has fought cancer , still fighting it, as a matter of fact, all I can say is Hang in there!!! There is always hope.

Be Well

Cheers

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PREACHING has STOPPED / ARMAGEDDON has BEGUN !!

by DannyHaszard in

received via email from a supporter,has anyone heard of this watchtower cult development?

{...i just wanted to let you know about some recent and alarming news in the wts.

my sister, who is not baptized yet, has been going to the meetings on a regular basis with my mom, who is full time pioneer.

moggy lover

Keeping in mind the WTS cultic interpretation of 1 Th 5:3 [Whenever it it is that they say "Peace and Security" then instant destruction will come......] I remember one year when the UN proclaimed a certain year [I think it was ' 86] to be the year of "Peace and Security"

This is no big deal because the UN often proclaims certain years to have certain themes: we've had the year"Of the Disabled", the year of "The Aged" etc. Anyway, this particular year, I [who had left about a year back] was bombarded by phone calls from my former associates almost hysterically telling me of the peril I was in. It was SO CLOSE!!! Special talks were scheduled here there and everywhere inviting all and sundry to listen.

In the herd mindset of the JWs all this was forgotten and discarded the very next year. In fact with the selective amnesia so characteristic of the JWs many who had indeed called me up on the phone the year before, maintained a total silence.

I think the tragic thing is that they were neither apologetic nor responsive, simply moved on as if nothing had happened.

Till the next hullabaloo

Cheers

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Chart of Seventy Years for Babylon

by Lady Liberty in

i just made this chart for my brother-in-law using the bible as well as the book entitled assyrian & babylonian chronicles by a.k.

(nabonidus chronicle 7- bm35382).

25: 12 ( nabonidus chronicle: chronicle 7-bm 36304).

moggy lover

Hi, LL excellent post. I think that ex-JWs will need to know this information on the 70 years, especially in view of the fact that they have consistently misapplied the fulfillment.

Your post has filled a need

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Witnessess are like...

by beautifulisfree in

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friends

my 'worldly' friend told me this the other day and i thought it was pretty funny.

jdubs are like mushrooms they are kept in the dark and fed sh!t.. .

okay your turn- witnessess are like:.

moggy lover

...... are like a confused godfather:

They're always making you an offer you can't understand

Cheers

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researchers and those with access to cd..

by candidlynuts in

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i'm listening to sickoflies jc committee meeting and the elders use the si book to show how the society gets to the date 607 by using cyrus's date of 537 and adding 70 yrs... could someone post that si article or direct me to a post that already has it posted?.

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moggy lover

Hi Candidlynuts: the thing that we need to remember is that the WTS position on the date 607 BC is arrived at through a unique INTERPRETATION of theirs, and NOT from a historical analysis of the text of scripture. In this respect the crucial text is Jer 25:11. JWs are only permitted to read this text through the tinted glasses provided by the FDS. However, when we actually read the text for ourselves, we discover that TWO facts [and not one as the WTS insists] are spoken of. Here is the text [NWT]:

1 "And all this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment"

2 "And these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years''

We are now in a position to ask the following questions:

1 How long was the land [of Judah] to be a devastated place? 70 years? Where does it say that? As you can plainly see, the time period for the devastation is left undetirmined! Yet when you read WTS literature, for ex from Legolas' post the Society ALWAYS, ALWAYS places the 70 years at the period of the devastaion of Judah. Never underestimate the vital importance to the WTS of this misapplication. Time and again they have fooled their own people, and by extension us, with this interpretation.

2 Then what does the 70 years apply to? Well, just read the text. As you can see the 70 years applies to the nationS [note the plural] who were to be in servitude to Babylon.The context is thus showing that more than just Judah was involved in the prophecy of Jer 25:11.

As you yourself have noted, the folly of the WTS is simply to add 70 to the year 537 BC to arrive at 607. Their "logic" goes something like this: We know that the desolation ended in 537, and we know from Jer 25:11, that the desolation was to last 70 years [ WRONG! WRONG!], so the desolation must then have begun in 607. See how, from a false premise, one gets a false conclusion?

CO Jonsson has sucesfully shown that the first of the nations to come into servitude to Babylon was Philistia, adjacent to Judah, when Ashkelon, one of their principal cities fell in 604 BC, in the first year of Nebuchadnezzar, not in his 19th as the WTS contends.

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Special WT Issue in 2014 - What articles will it contain?

by VM44 in

the year 2014 will be 100 years after the "end of the gentile times" year 1914.

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in october of that anniversary year, the watchtower will published a special commenorative issue.. any ideas as to what articles that issue will contain?.

moggy lover

No doubt the cover would read "The Generation That Would Never Die - Just Died!"

cheers

40

Another Elder bites the dust!!!!

by Lady Liberty in

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friends

my sister and her husband finally told a elder friend of theirs why they have been absent from the meetings for all these months.

) our family has chosen to only use the 607 issue when dealing with the elders.

because it seems to be the only issue they cannot answer!

moggy lover

Unfortunately, KW13, there is no one place in the society's literature where you will find the information you are looking for. It takes a bit of searching. Here's what I found:

1 The "Babylon the Great has Fallen" book has a chart on pg 183 showing the lineage of the Babylonian kings. The chart shows Nabopolassar as the father of Nebuchadnezzar, who in turn was suceeded by his son-in-law Amel Marduk, who in turn was suceeded by another son-in-law, Neriglissar, who was in turn was suceeded by Labashi Marduk, and finally he himself was suceeded by Nabonidus. From this one source we know that the WTS accepts the fact that the Neo-Babylonian Dynasty consisted of exactly 6 kings. No more, no less.

The book itself does not give the length of the reigns of these kings [naturally, because if you counted the years, you would find it short by 19 years of WTS chronology.]

2 So to establish the lengths of the kings, you have to go elsewhere in WTS publications:

A: "Aid" book pg 1212, acknowledges that Nebuchadnezzar ruled for 43 years

B: "Babylon The Great Has Fallen" pg 184 acknowledges that Amel Marduk [called by his Anglicized name Evil Merodach] ruled for 2 years

C: Same reference acknowledges that Neriglissar ruled 4 years [ie BTGHF pg 184]

D Again the same reference acknowledges Labashi Marduk ruled for "about 9 months" [BTGHF pg 184]

E "Aid" book again acknowledges that Nabonidus ruled for 17 years ending in 539 BC [ Aid pg 1195]

Adding them up from the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar in 607 BC [as WTS presents it] will leave you short by exactly 19 years leading up to 539 BC!!

Hope this helps

Cheers

36

Optical Illusion: Can You See The Waterfall?

by OpenFireGlass in

moggy lover

Waddaya mean "background" - who's looking at the background??

Dribble....bribble

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